I recently completed a book called Goner: The Final Travels of UG Krishnamurti , a self explanatory title available now from Non-Duality Press website. It represents my encounter with one of the most unique and elusive figures outside of any school of thought. Without the help of a brilliant editor by the name of Anirban Asarma, this would have been completely impossible.
I met UG Krishnamurti after a long, fruitful and in the end, frustrating association with the teachings of Jiddu Krishnamurti. Given UG’s history with JK, my background obsession with the teachings of JK may have helped me to stay with him. While I could never find a way to fit him into any school of thought or ideology, least of all that of JK, there was something in the teachings of JK that UG resolved for me just from reading one of his books before I even met him in person. At first it was the limits of JK’s teaching that he pointed out, then it was the unexpected direction my life took which drew me more and more to UG. It is my conviction that what UG discovered, outside and beyond his expectations, stood completely and totally on its own.
After UG died I spent a lot of time researching his background as I wrote my book about him. I read The Gospel of Ramakrishna again, dialogues of Ramana Maharshi, the Nisargadatta books edited by Jean Dunne, some of the key Upanishads recommended by friends with extensive knowledge of the originals, and other Hindu texts in order to grasp something of the background of UG’s upbringing as Hindu and a Theosophist. Some of these people he met, some he had associations with. Since he expressed a passing admiration for it once, I read the Gospel of St Thomas. Lastly and most lately I was shown a fantastic translation of Patanjali’s Yoga Sutras which I copied out as I read.
It was only of late, via conversation with another good friend of UG’s, that it hit me that while these books may provide some useful information, ultimately they are more rubbish to clear if you want to find out anything on your own. This same friend reminded me that UG was attempting in his way of interacting with those around him to slow down the incessant machinery of information gathering in order to allow the body to function on it’s own resources. I think he was right.
UG lived something uniquely and distinctly different from what I have seen or experienced in the search in the spiritual arena. He stood completely outside the marketplace, never once charging money for a person to come and see him. He gave himself to his friends 24/7 as it were, unrelentingly pointing out the futility of teaching anyone anything. Still, he was all the time pushing each one of us into a corner where we would be forced to make our own discoveries. This is a hard row to hoe, yet in the end the most compassionate one imaginable. It was a thankless task and he was not in the least invested in the outcome. These things strike me repeatedly and each time a little more deeply, as I look back at the total generosity UG showed every person who had a sincere interest in him.
My intellectual confusion upon meeting him was brushed aside by the distinct quality of his presence. I felt compelled to stay with him as much and as often as possible in order to absorb and bear witness to what his life was like. It seemed to me that his life itself was a teaching that could never be contained in books, videotape or audiotape. Even so, a little of it seeps through all of these. When he saw me making notes around him, he forced me to read what I’d written out loud. He encouraged my efforts to convey what I saw in book form. These are two things that would have been unimaginable to me before I met him. He shared access to the most intimate moments of his day for weeks and months at a time while I was supposed to be nursing him. Truth is, I felt like I’d stumbled into the den of a wild animal more human than any other person I’ve met who trusted me enough to carry on as if I were not there.
I have given the autobiographical details of my story strictly for the purpose of illustrating and exposing my prejudices. It’s embarrassing to expose one’s personal life but immaterial if it helps to deflate any claims of authority about something I know nothing about.
UG met friends early in the morning in his apartment during summer months.
The purpose of this blog is to answer any questions that may arise about the book or UG’s daily life or movements. I am not interested in interpreting what he meant by what he said. I am in no position to speak to what UG may have meant by anything. What I can do is speak about my personal experiences around him. For that I have set up this site. I am not interested in discussing anything else here.
Louis Brawley
September 26, 2011
Looking forward to reading the posts about personal experiences which draw me more than anything else I’ve read about UG. Hope sales are fantastic and you continue to write (about UG or anything else).
Janet
I think the only way to sustain a discussion that does not divert into the usual time wasting is to talk about something I saw rather than what I think about it. A friend has been pointing out that what he was trying to do all the time was slow down this ‘information gathering machinery’, the impulse to ‘explain and justify something that needs neither. I read too many books after UG died trying to find parallels and compare him to other people. He was warning about that all the time but I am a little thick headed. If I start holding forth about what he was saying I’m just an another asshole. I want to talk about how UG affected me and what I saw. Its a distortion, but even so, maybe something will come through that. Thanks
i lovd it Louis4sure..Sincere is the word used by you which i like…with out that there is nothing in so called spirituality……
yes Gopi, and I’m sure that UG was right, “Spirit means breath, that is the latin definition of the word. NOthing more sir!” Of course I wouldn’t know either, but he had a way with words.
this blog is brilliant !
I’m not sure what’s brilliant about it except that it’s about UG. ! Hah! I love that I have to ‘approve’ comments before they can appear here. What nonsense! On the other hand I am totally uninterested in ‘discussing’ UG’s ideas, since he had none. Just wanted to talk about what I saw there. Thanks Narendra
Hi. Interesting blog on a quite uncommon argument here in Italy. I discovered UG Krishnamurti ( a book by him) some years ago and my first reaction has been very depressive. I’m ( should be) a professional musician who believed in art, music and relationship with the spiritual matter. After “my” calamity – the discover of UG – I began to develop different opinions about it. Art? No, just tecnique. Spirituality and expression? Only entertainment. Artists? Egomaniacs! His impact on me has been quite negative, but I strongly agree with his statements, because I know artists, vanity, desire of success… A life in art business is better than an occupation as worker ( 8, 10, 12 hours a day in a factory or in an office! What a slavery…), but what inspires this purpose? My answer at the moment is interest in beauty, with no final aim maybe, like games, like the simple life. I have a final question ( hope to be pertinent). How UG Krishnamurti made a living?
Kind Greetings
Alessandro Vaccari
Allessandro, As artist I was so invested in my self image as an artist it got in the way of simply making art. It has taken me a long time to realize that this is merely a talent and if one is good at it it will provide a living. To expect to be praised for it is egotism. We are encouraged to be egotists rather than simply do our job and leave it at that. If someone had a real talent UG encouraged them with all the support you can imagine. To read him in books and imagine that you have ‘understood’ is very misleading. I don’t say that from a position of knowing more than you but that it is dangerous to come to any conclusion using your head. He was all the time trying to throw a monkey wrench into my thinking so my body could function normally, sanely intelligently. This is quite the opposite of my thinking which is too often simply self serving and a waste of energy. Thinking is fine in it’s place.
Allesandro, as I re-read your entry I realize I never answered your question about how UG made a living. He was quite open about his cash flow situation, so much so that it left most of us in a state of total or near total confusion. There was a woman named Valentine who met UG in 1960 or thereabouts, just as he was about to return to India and throw himself at the mercy of his penniless situation. She offered to help him stay on in Europe and literally turned her entire life and assets over to him. She liquidated her properties at his suggestion and the two became traveling companions for the next 28 years. UG never hid this fact, saying at times, to people around him, “I don’t know why she puts up with me.” at other times, “For me to live with anyone is not a problem, but to live with me would be horrible.” Indeed, they fought a lot. Valentine was Swiss and very meticulous about money. She had a modest pension and the two lived in simple quarters, rental apartments around Switzerland and other places they traveled in Europe while she was writing his biography. UG was not one to pinch pennies, yet he lived an extremely simple life. After five years of her efforts to write his story he tore the book up and threw it into the fire. She was devastated. In any event, UG made no secret of this arrangement, and when she became infirm he set up a situation for her to live in India with a friend’s family who loved and cared for her until she died. People have speculated that there was some sexual relationship during the initial friendship, but from what I’ve gathered about UG this seems an unlikely scenario. After Valentine’s death people started giving UG money for rent and travel expenses. Until the end of his life the account he had access to was named “Funds For the Travel of UG Krishnamurti”. It was not a personal account, even though he was the only one who drew from the account. The bankers at Credit Suisse repeatedly tried to get him to put it in his name but he never did. After Valentine died, as far as I could make out UG’s moneys came from donations from friends. If you want to think about what it means to have a job, UG was as hard working as anyone I’ve ever met. He made himself available to people wherever he went from dawn to dusk. In the final years he made much of his ‘birthday monies’, cash gifts to him from friends around the world anywhere from $100 to $2,000. People pressed money on him everywhere, yet he lived in simple, sometimes shabby rental quarters to the very end. He had so few needs and enough friends were eager to host and fund him that he made it a mission in his last years to distribute the remaining money in his accounts to “Indian Girls Born in America to Native born Indian Parents” or something like that. Well, I could go on, but that’s probably enough for now.
You’ve been very exhaustive. Thanks a lot for both replies.
“What else we could do other than writing a book on him and discuss endlessly on and about him…?”
Yes, Dr. Swamy, there is nothing more interesting to me than what I saw there. It seems to go on in it’s own way in the sense that once I encountered him there was nothing else as sure and true in my life. That seems to be something inside myself i recognize. Without saying “I am like UG.” , i felt he was like me in some fundamental way by being a human animal, but one who’d got free of the kinds of worries I had. That made me wonder if it wasn’t possible to be like him, which immediately threw me off track. I have been searching outside while not realizing that’s what I am doing. Reading all the sacred texts, looking for ‘someone else from the west’ who was ‘like’ UG were all mistakes. I’m lucky I didn’t go too far into that mire of crap. It’s such an easy thing to fool myself.
You mentioned in the book that being with him was a meditation in its own, that mystical things happened around him but that nonody talked about it much. Have you experienced any of these kinds of things since he died?
JANET
Hi Janet, These mystical things are like scoring some point that implies I am somehow special if something like that happened to me. He never tired of repeating that anything I can recognize on any level is misleading and there is a danger that I will twist it into a little power play with myself. What ever UG was is operating on me so far beyond what I can understand that to discuss or give importance to that stuff is totally misleading. Around him I didn’t even notice the quality of his presence at times until I walked out of the room and things were different. He just seemed so ordinary, natural, almost invisible, that while you were with him you wouldn’t even notice it. That to me was one of the most convincing things about him. Thanks for asking me that Janet. It preoccupies me sometimes.
Hmmm, Louis. Just now wondering if assigning conclusions about what it doesn’t mean is the same as the conclusions about the meaning itself.
That being ordinary and extraordinary occurs on the same scale.
Trying hard to play by the rules … about keeping to the accounting of personal experience. Just wondered if those “weird” things still happened now that his body is outofhere.
Janet
Cool, the moderator has left the building…
Wow, thanks Louis… It is important to share your experiences in this way. I believe that U.G. is going to attract a larger audience than when he was alive. Although, his teachings will never be “huge” because of how confronting they are. Real statements are never popular.
Its so great that he encouraged peoples real talents. It is a “path” in itself to follow your own talent/thread and cut out all bullshit that gets in the way of genuine expression in music, writing, etc.
I get the impression that the only Guru U.G really cared for truly was Anandamayi Ma.
I discovered her by reading u.g.’s swan song… I find it curious that he mentions her ?
I must definitely get the book.
This is awesome stuff Louis.
I value your genuine and sincere writing.
Cheers
Branko
Hi Branko, thank you for the reply. UG did express an admiration for Anandamai, but he was also a victorian. A friend met her and told her what UG said about not needing to do any spiritual practice. Her reply according to that person was, “He is on top of the mountain. You are still on your way up.” UG’s immediate reply to this was, “I am standing right here next to you on the ground!” He meant what he said. He also pointed out the biological nature of her ‘calamity’. He always pointed out that when what ever happened to her happened to her, her menstrual cycles stopped. There is no practice that will lead to that. UG was unique in his total dismissal of practice. He had the authority to talk that way.
St.Louis you rock man!!
Hi Amit,
St Louis is a sugar brand UG used to force feed me because I was so bitter.
Still, I must give thanks for your encouraging words!
Louis Bastard
St.Louis when I heard JK’s talk with great concentration I find that JK and UG are almost quoting the same thing but may be in different manner. The only difference I see is UG goes even one step further and even contradicts to what he himself is saying. You should watch movie Siddhartha which is a story of Indian Brahmin who spends his entire life in seeking enlightenment and at last gets what he want. If not entire movie you should atleast watch its end. Siddhartha will for sure make you remind about a enigma called UG when Siddhartha says, “Govinda, the trouble with goals is that one become obsessed with goals. When you say you are seeking it means there is something to find, but the real freedom is realization that there are no goals…” and at the very end Govinda says ,”Tell me something Siddharhta. My path is so hard” and Siddhartha answers what UG also would have said “Stop searching.”
Here is the link if you want to watch the end:
This movie is based on Herman Hesse famous novel Siddhartha. It will surely remind you of UG.,
Thanks,
Amit
Thank you for your response Amit. Unfortunately or fortunately as the case may be I do not see this the same way you do. For me JK was essentially a teacher, a wordsmith is what UG used to call him. He was certainly using the same words, and even some of the same phrases, but the source was not the same. When I saw JK I was really impressed, there is no doubt about it. He changed my life. When I met UG he reached in and changed things I knew nothing about. UG said he used the same phrases as JK, “We had the same teachers sir!” he used to say. But having studied both men closely, the lives lived were quite different. This was essential for me to witness. For UG words were secondary, he said so himself, and he lived like that. JK fought copyright wars over the control of his ‘teachings’. UG gave away everything he had and said for free, claiming no authorship for words already floating around out there. For me, there was a profound difference even in the reading of UG’s words, yet I will be forever grateful to JK for the preparation work. I am convinced that he made spending time with UG possible for me. Only when I stayed with UG did I see the difference between all the words and a living impact. That life operating at a totally functional level was the key for me. Thank you sir.
St.Louis,
Thank you for your reply. Definitely you might be knowing both these men’s well than me as you spent some part of your life with them. Anyways I just wanted to share a video with you which reminds me of a man called “UG”. Did you had a chance to look at the video? Let me know if it reminds you of UG,
Thank you,
Amit
your writing is quite brilliant. what found most interesting about your book, and i had never had the scene of before, was when you write about when UG was sick, and you were alone with him, and he wasn’t”" being UG”". like you, i found out about UG through reading about JK, but never meet him. its only since doing this comic book about him, and meeting his friends, that i regret this somewhat, as i was in india when he was alive, so, if i had been inclined, im sure i could have. at the time it seemed like a silly thing to go see someone who said there was nothing to be gained by going to see him, and ive always had a slight aversion to spiritual communities ect.., but, for sure, after reading goner, i thought it would have been great to see him in the flesh. doing the comic, ive been immersed in UG full time, 12 hours a day, for the last year or so at least. his life is very interesting in so many ways. i sometimes wonder if its had any effect on me. i was on a long bus ride today, and i listened to a lecture ram dass gave in the 80′s. before, i may have been impressed by it, but today it seemed like, well, the barking of a dog! one other thing that stuck me, and i wanted to ask you (and maybe it will be question you have no interest in answering), is that i got the impression that those last years of UGs life, he seemed to want to help people destroy any fixed concepts they had built up of him, in the same way that he had gotten JK finally out of his system in the late 60′s. from your observations, do you think this is the case? anyhow, thanks for the book, its the book i recommend to people if they want to read about UG, and thanks for this blog. (i hate that word!)
Hi Nic, you have put it simply and thats what he was up to for sure. as he put it, my first sentence is negated by the second and so on… the whole point is to shove us on our own two feet. he said it over and over, but the complexity of being a personality has a thousand thousand ways of confusing the point.
i am always reviewing and reviewing and rehashing and it comes to that simple point over and over. he wasn’t the epicenter, he was some kind of conduit, and all my manky little words dont add up to shit if they lead to understandings about what `i saw because it was a feeling, an all emcompassing feeling of something i still can’t describe. So, don’t worry, he is affecting you, dont you worry about that.`it makes me laugh that you even ask when you are spending 12 hours a day on this book. `That very thing we dont know is there when we take an interest, of that i’m convinced. i read ramakrishna over and over , never met him and yet in some ways there is a sensation of his being so connected with the same thing UG was …. and i will never know how or what or why.. and it doesnt matter. i’m so glad you are doing the book. and thanks for recommending mine. i sent you a message on facebook but i’m never sure how that thing works. there is already one store in NYC that will take the barking dog book once you are done. so keep me updated. thanks Nic.
Hi
There is some magic in this man UG you once start reading him, you are gone, totally gone and UG calamity flows with you were ever you go
I can only say” I Love you UG” thanks for everything, although I have not met you but you are in my heart
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Louis, I want to thank you for writing such a compelling book! I am one of those people who never met UG in person, but accidently stumbled over him on Youtube, and it resulted in a profound impact. As you mentioned, UG’s effect seems to reach people even after his death, through his words, those of others, and video. What still has me perplexed is the fact that I was able to pick up on this, through a video, before I knew anything at all about UG. On one hand I was telling myself that there was some serious “juice” flowing in the room in the video, but on the other hand I was telling myself I was probably mistaken, that I was just falling for charisma. I couldn’t have been more surprised when my first instinct turned out to be correct!
I felt I got the most out of reading others’ accounts of UG at first, like that was the best way to kind of “feel” what he was about, so it was interesting to hear you talk about a little of UG seeping through the words, the video, the descriptions. And he’s still knocking around in my head from time to time, his words very audible in my brain in certain situations. It’s hard to tell people, “sorry, I can’t discuss enlightenment, see there’s this little Indian man in my head who starts swearing at me…”
I could write many, many more paragraphs, I’m sure! The intellectual part of my brain wants to find out more, to “figure out” and unwind this mystery called UG, but I know to some degree that’s futile. Sigh.
@Janet – I’ve enjoyed some of your observations! Especially where you are wondering that “assigning conclusions about what it doesn’t mean” could be the same as “the conclusions about the meaning itself.” I do think you’re on to something there. To me, ultimately UG is best left as a feeling, a felt sense that one cannot quite put words to. As soon as you start to discuss him, to try to put it to words, it’s never quite “it”, which can lead to writing more and more in an attempt to explain him, and then you have to explain why it doesn’t quite explain him, and you just go on and on. Like I’m doing here. Plus whenever I write about UG to people who have met him, I find myself really censoring myself: “I can’t use the “m” word. I can’t use the “e” word. I shouldn’t say this…” And that doesn’t feel quite right either, it puts you in as much of a box as when you are trying to make comparisons and fit UG into your own frame.
I think UG is best when you just let him sink into you, it seems he was kind of like life through osmosis. Thank you Louis, for expressing your experience so well, and giving the rest of us a glimpse into nothingness. Happy travels to you, and if you write another book about UG, you will have a return customer!
thank you for your comments catherine. `i am always so pleased when someone has read the book since i` feel like he encouraged me so much its not really mine, more a tribute to him, a way of keeping him by my side, biting, beating and kicking me like he did. you are absolutely right that there is an effect, but we will never know how or why. `i spend hours on this one, and in the end `i know nothing more or less.. but it’s so beautiful to have seen him that sharing it with others, my garbled little mess, is my do-gooders high. and i plan to keep at it … thank you
@Catherine…thank you.
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No sentiment, but daily life simple and straight account of the encounter with UG in unconvincing and no mincing words – that too in the backdrop of his (Louis) own ‘perceiving or seeing’ there and now is indeed a ‘fresh fragrance’ of this book, ‘Goner’. It’s a rare brand and kind of ‘no spirituality’ first hand encounter book, so to say. No churning out of the same good old story here in this book.
sorry i have been away from this for a few days so I didn’t get a chance to post or ‘approve’. thanks for your comments sulochanosho.
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Haven’t read your book. But have read the mention of your name in several of U.G’s other books.
You have been so fortunate to have spent a great amount of time in Close Proximity with this Great Man called U.G. I have read all the books available on net about U.G , currently reading Mukunda Rao’s latest. Been hooked to U.G for more than 6 months. In the end, nothing I understand clearly .
No philosophy and no clear way or approach to follow. But still something about this man attracts you greatly and there is some change in me that I cannot explain neither I myself understand completely.
Great to be in touch with you Louis. It would be very interesting to know about your personal experiences with U.G.
Thanks Shoba,
Are you Narendra’s sister? I remember visiting Narendra’s apartment with UG in New Jersey. He would always visit people’s homes. I remember a family in Bangalore who hosted numerous religious people over the years in their homes. They were requested to provide special diets, make elaborate preparations, upending their lives for the honor. UG came unannounced to the house with friends and walked up the stairs to meet the father who had trouble with his legs. He spent some time with them, walking through the house and having a meal with us all. They were so moved by his consideration and easy company, nothing like what they’d experienced with the ‘holy men’ who made all sorts of demands on them. That’s what UG was like. He didn’t chase people down for donations. I remember watching him chase down a young man to give him money. I was with him at the Bangalore airport where he waited patiently to make sure all his friends had safely deplaned in the middle of the night. His generosity was easy and natural. I gave him money at times until I couldn’t afford to play that game with him. After his death I realized he’d given me a computer, a camera, a phone all worth far more than the amount of money I’d given him. That’s just the tip of the iceberg. People always ask me about money when the subject of UG comes up. He made it the topic of discussion endlessly in the last years of his life. He was not averse to taking money to survive, yet what he gave back was more than I can calculate. Well. I wanted to talk about UG’s way of life. Thank you for reminding me that that is more important than what I can say about his words, which were always addressed to the moment. What was left after that was something beautiful and hard to understand. He was right, it came from nowhere and went nowhere, like a unique song. I never tire of listening to that sound, that barking of the dog. Thanks, Louis
Louis,
Iam not Narendra’s sister. Iam from Bangalore. Interesting to know about this particular incident.
Just read about another incident in one of your replies where you carried around U.G on your shoulders. Who can say U.G is no more. He is very much live and kicking .
Bumped into phenomenon called U.G at the end of last year . A quick read and i thought to myself, this man is crazy and what he says i cannot understand . Felt he is a very egoistic and arrogant man blasting all guru’s . Then stopped reading about him for few months and suddenly without any effort on my part after few months i started reading about him and just been hooked since then.
Met Chandrasekhar and family in bangalore and visited U.G’s room.
The various incidents mentioned in books tell me how affectionate a human being he was , though he went on blasting people vehemently . His simplicity and living like one among the nature is probably that brings him so close to all of us.
shobha
First read UG,s books 12 years back. the effect was deep. it was as if a knife had been dug deep into the body. you sense that what he says is the real thing and it is as if the layers of accumulated beliefs,wisdom peeled off. Truth in its raw form,in this society will make you toss like a ship in the storm. you dont have a creeper to hold on…. i stopped reading ug and by some months i could find solace in my accumulated beliefs and i started to flow with aspirations of my religion, society knowing inside me that it was all man made systems meant to cage you, ensnare you for the better growth of this human invented logos.. after his death viewed some videos of him,his sound and speech are so crisp and clear and he speaks with such certainty. After ug i learned to give more respect and care to my body and to understand its needs. the body want to survive at any cost and it always give you signals if you understand it enough.
U.G.And I
Anyone interested to know what happened to me ?..
My link with UG is very different from any of the Blogs I have read ; with him I had felt less alone
http://remembering-ug.blogspot.com/
Remembering U. G. Krishnamurti: A collection of his Talks, Quotes, Audiobooks, Photos and Videos
Hi Louis, Hope all well. Interesting to read first hand information. I like to touch base with you if your travel plan includes, Europe and or Asia. By the way, can you give me UG’s address in Vallecrosia, I love to visit that place, email me debacle9@gmail.com ….Namaste… Ramchandran.
Dear Ramachandaran, Thank you for your interest. I have no travel plans as of the moment. The address in Valliecrozia is no longer with me but I will try and locate it. That woman is extremely busy and I’m no longer in touch with her. Thanks..Louis
Thanks for the E Mail; I did not know he liked Anandamai; I had the unexpected honour to be garlanded by her ! she asked for me while she was being bathed and at that time i did not know who she was . I had met her daughter at an art gallery in Bombay . .
I was gifted with two track suits one of which was a gift from Chairman Mao’s friend .
I wore it [ modeled for him it filled me . Got stares when I walked down H G Road in Bangalore, where coincidentally the Buddhists were also coming in the opposite direction ; Weird things happened to me before i came to know about him ..
His brand of compassion was and is unique; mistake is people did not know what to take in the literal sense weed out the practiced cliches.” You throw a ball at me i throw it back at you as simple as that. For me he was important but I think music should be music . tasty food to be relished , metaphorically speaking that is important .
Lokkur Vasanthi Rao founder Science And Philosophy Interface
Lokkur Vasanthi Rao thanks for the thanks. Just as a note, the Anandamai UG spoke of was a Bengali woman who was born in the end of last century. She died in 1981 or thereabouts and had no children. She in fact never had sex. Her period stopped happening when she went through some kind of bodily changes early in her life. She was an instance of someone apparently ‘spontaneously’ going into very high spiritual states. He spoke of her often because she was an example of the physical changes he always emphasized over the so called spiritual change which he denied.
I was the only casual visitor at Dr Yodh’s house in Bombay around 1970 when i was the only person to be garlanded by Anandamaima herself while she was being bathed …; to everybody’s surprise!!
I have interacted with U G with whom I had rapport as i also said the same things based on personal experience .
I want to stay connected with those who understood UG
Forgive my arrogant comments. What a story. I hope you’ll share more. Thank you!